tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post6152655732028342928..comments2023-11-03T00:06:36.875+11:00Comments on Bunyipitude: Deter or Punish?Bunyiphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14668398379654771814noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-64826544395405572992012-10-02T02:11:06.537+10:002012-10-02T02:11:06.537+10:00"The essential difference between life withou...<i>"The essential difference between life without the possibility of parole and the death penalty is that the state doesn't perform the same act that that it seeks in punish."</i><br /><br />By your reasoning, it's also immoral for the State to arrest and imprison those who kidnap people and hold them against their wills. <br /><br />For if the police smash their way into a premise where a man who has snatched a child is holding her prisoner, and then the cart him away and hold him prisoner, is that not the State "performing the same act that that it seeks in punish"?<br /><br />I am not an advocate for capital punishment either, but smarmy and jejune arguments such as yours are not helpful to the debate.Craig Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-32130604977557143892012-10-01T22:21:27.357+10:002012-10-01T22:21:27.357+10:00oops Prof, in review later, I see a wrong double n...oops Prof, in review later, I see a wrong double negative there. "I do not think we should kill in cold blood ourselves' is the correction.Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-91513317074882517122012-10-01T17:54:24.711+10:002012-10-01T17:54:24.711+10:00The military and the police have rules of engageme...The military and the police have rules of engagement. They don't kill other than in necessity and direct response to ongoing violence; and they certainly don't kill once the subject is subdued. You on the other hand advocate the state sanctioned killing a person who has been captured and who can be contained to prevent other acts of violence against the community.<br /><br />The essential difference between life without the possibility of parole and the death penalty is that the state doesn't perform the same act that that it seeks in punish. I didn't say that life was sacred; but I do value equally all lives. It is inherent in your position that you do not, because you demand the right to kill in certain circumstances.<br /><br />If you are so certain that the death penalty is appropriate then I have two words for you; Timothy Evans. Look it up mate; and then ask yourself whether the death penalty is worth what happened to him. And don't give me any BS about being sure before the death penalty is available. I have worked in the court system for the last 27 years and I know that the system is not sufficiently reliable or free of police / prosecutorial misconduct or political interference to ever contemplate the re-introduction of the death penalty.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-4435849173712529862012-10-01T14:12:06.755+10:002012-10-01T14:12:06.755+10:00I heard Faino last Friday on 774 and no doubt he a...I heard Faino last Friday on 774 and no doubt he and his colleagues are severely impacted by this tragedy. <br />However, he seemed to almost immediately revert to the mantra of his alumni from inner-city legal services …. and sadly, many of this alumni are now on the bench. Using the guise of “sub-judice” there was an immediate shutting down of any discussion of crime, punishment, inadequate sentencing and the bench stacked with gullible bleeding hearts.<br />Faino’s recurring theme was about what we do in a “civilized society”.<br />Well …. Newsflash Faino ….. We cease to be a “civilized society” when we tolerate repeated barbaric and uncivilized acts and subjugate the rights of innocent citizens to the rights of the depraved recidivists to repeated shots at a rehabilitation which will never come.<br /><br />Rule 303Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-44270226960696084282012-10-01T12:31:53.845+10:002012-10-01T12:31:53.845+10:00Here is my learned dissertation on the topic "...Here is my learned dissertation on the topic "Does Imprisonment Deter?"<br /><br />It does if you keep them in long enough and they come out in a Tobin Brothers station-wagon rather than a Taxi.<br /><br />Here endeth my thesis<br /><br />The Irish LionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-27116799336458464332012-09-30T20:15:20.754+10:002012-09-30T20:15:20.754+10:00Rubbish.... state sanctioned violence is neither u...Rubbish.... state sanctioned violence is neither unusual nor counterproductive.<br />The Police and Military exercise that option as a matter of course. <br /><br />You didn't mention why there will be no referendum on an upgraded death penalty, did you, because as you know it would get up by the length of the straight.<br /><br />Sigh, pity the vast majority of citizens cannot be heard and instead have their wishes ignored by the handwringing elites....a sad indictment and non-democracy.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-39448460188850843622012-09-30T17:18:20.512+10:002012-09-30T17:18:20.512+10:00suppose the penalty for murdering your average cit...suppose the penalty for murdering your average citizen was life in prison [meaning imprisoned until d.e.a.d], but the maximum penalty for killing a judge be only 15 years. then let's see if the judges think their own lives should be treated as cheaply as they currently treat that of the citizenry learned judgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-38463866733644295212012-09-30T16:55:10.327+10:002012-09-30T16:55:10.327+10:00what a pompous load of crap. do you say its ok for...what a pompous load of crap. do you say its ok for the state to lock someone up forever, but not to administer the death penalty? what is the essential difference? please don't tell me its because life is sacred, because that is manifestly not true - not true for the murderer, not true for the state. the state reserves the right to kill in war or when policy suits, be it euthenasing the old or aborting the unborn. <br />indeed, for you to suggest the execution the murderer after a proper trial is the same as the murder it serves to punish and the further murders it prevents not to mention those untold numbers it deters, makes you an apologist for, if not an enabler of, murder. you treat the life of the victim as cheaply as the murderer which means in principle you are no better than the murderer (see, anyone can play your game)learned judgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-15499592103575385822012-09-30T13:13:13.214+10:002012-09-30T13:13:13.214+10:00The law does not operate on common sense solutions...The law does not operate on common sense solutions and relies on interpretations of the law by highly paid individuals who are so far removed from the reality of crime and its effects on its victims, that they may as well be making their determinations from the planet Mars.Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17345412268251500273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-5474708733426327692012-09-30T11:28:06.685+10:002012-09-30T11:28:06.685+10:00"Perhaps it is time to consider ex-judicial e...<i>"Perhaps it is time to consider <b>ex-judicial extermination</b> of those who patently demonstrate a total lack of contrition"</i><br /><br />No. Just, no.EE Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-21609923962793765082012-09-30T11:24:48.025+10:002012-09-30T11:24:48.025+10:00When everyone chooses "anonymous" as a s...When everyone chooses "anonymous" as a screen name it makes it hard to keep track - here are four in a row?! Why not at least enter a screen name, go to "NAME/URL", you don't need an email addy or anything, but at least start calling yourselves "Anon1" "Anon2" "Anon3" or something!EE Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-903509723496316122012-09-30T09:16:16.602+10:002012-09-30T09:16:16.602+10:00Quite so.
Quite so. <br /><br />jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-26665996099256603452012-09-29T14:51:49.478+10:002012-09-29T14:51:49.478+10:00In the light of an above post's link:
http://...In the light of an above post's link:<br /><br />http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/482904_407827729271391_2113959913_n.jpg<br /><br />I've never been a "hang 'em, flog 'em" type but, Jesus Christ!, there are some people who should not walk on this earth.<br /><br />Why was this animal *ever* allowed on the streets again?<br /><br />I'd just like *someone* (after this is over) in the legal/government system to very publicly say "We got it wrong and need to change the way we deal with such people".<br /><br />Otherwise... why the hell do we pay these people?<br /><br />What use are they?<br /><br />Xeric<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-85256852187307972372012-09-29T12:30:03.883+10:002012-09-29T12:30:03.883+10:00The luvvie article quoted suggests that if there i...The luvvie article quoted suggests that if there is a 'perception' of an increase in incarceration, this can have a 'significant deterent effect'. OK - job for the men and women of the media to get that perception level up, once the Courts have decided they will get tougher.<br /><br />Some people will always act irrationally and make stupid decisions: I offer you the Bali Nine. However, more information about consequences might help. <br /><br />Personally, I can't support capital punishment. Da Hairy Ape and I disagree strongly on this, and I know him to be the best of men, whom I love and respect. Nevertheless, as a people, I do not think we should not kill in cold blood ourselves, it is not moral (for me), and too much like revenge. Also, such killings can occur on an unfair and poorly applied sliding scale. Also, you cannot bring those later found innocent back to life.<br /><br />A problem I have is that the hell of an endless incarceration seems to me to be much worse; I have no solution there because morally that is sometimes all that can be done. To say nothing of the costs, and the rights of victims and their families to feel a sense of closure. I am very conflicted on this issue and am sure I am not the only one.Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-42925000437374092282012-09-29T12:19:20.099+10:002012-09-29T12:19:20.099+10:00Maybe if serving time became more a deterrent than...Maybe if serving time became more a deterrent than what it is today, treated as an inconvenience by the career criminal, re-offending would fall away.<br /><br />When indictable offences (Felony requiring stiff prison sentences after being found guilty by judge and jury) such as Break, Enter and Steal in private homes or workplaces, can be dealt with summarily (local or County Courts that generally fine rather than impose maximum sentences of two years imprisonment only) it doesn't take long for the would be career criminal to realize, that the law is really an ass that has no deterrent value to his/her career. <br /><br />Locking someone up for three to six months for burgling several people's castle's, when if they were tried at a higher court for an indictable offence and found guilty, they could expect up to 14 years jail, is it then any wonder why soft sentencing rules have no deterrent value and are treated as an inconvenience, rather than a form of punishment, by those who prefer a life of crime than to work at an honest living.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17345412268251500273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-66794053212649508062012-09-29T11:57:09.756+10:002012-09-29T11:57:09.756+10:00I do not bet, because I do not have to bet; there ...I do not bet, because I do not have to bet; there won't be a referendum on the reintroduction of the the death penalty.<br /><br />Anyone who believes that state sanctioned killing is a proper response to criminal acts of violence is in principle no different to the people who they would condemn. Violence is either acceptable, or it is not; and I am afraid you have to chose. And If the state kills, it has no moral or ethical basis to judge those who do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-62845727648390274872012-09-29T11:51:33.080+10:002012-09-29T11:51:33.080+10:00What is the name of the judge who in the rape case...What is the name of the judge who in the rape case concerning a woman raped and left for dead in parkland in Wagga (I think) with her throat cut, decreed that she didn't suffer as much becuase she was nearly dead and unconscious?<br />Sorry, can't find the reference to it, it was some time ago.<br />kaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05819693069445947851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-60912014865296472822012-09-29T09:59:19.413+10:002012-09-29T09:59:19.413+10:00My thinking is that the sentencing thing is back t...My thinking is that the sentencing thing is back to front. Instead of maximum sentences with time off for good behaviour or a shitty upbringing the law should set minimum times and add extra for increases in the severity of the crime. grumpynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-87287310698462012152012-09-29T07:40:16.396+10:002012-09-29T07:40:16.396+10:00Castration, no, the full works, let them piss thro...Castration, no, the full works, let them piss through a drinking straw.Helen Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-33325211071916249092012-09-28T22:22:02.010+10:002012-09-28T22:22:02.010+10:00What a load of pap!
Sentencing not a deterrent?,...What a load of pap! <br />Sentencing not a deterrent?, Let the criminals disprove that after serving a full sentence, more appropriate to community expectations, (10,15,20 years etc, for serious crimes).<br />Crimes committed during periods of diminished capacity?, They had to be sober/lucid when they decided to partake of alchohol/drugs in the first place - RESPONSIBILITY!!! <br />Cost impost on the community - Simple!, look for ways to make prisoners pay a significant proportion of their own way, whilst serving their sentence, (additional deterrent value).<br />All it takes is something academia fails to and life succeeds in teaching you - LOGIC & COMMON SENSE!Australian Jedinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-65385417918886231482012-09-28T21:39:25.103+10:002012-09-28T21:39:25.103+10:00It is with great regret that one conclusion is tha...It is with great regret that one conclusion is that we can no longer trust the judicial processes of the Western world to adequately protect the public from those who repeatedly demonstrate an utter distain for common decency. <br />Perhaps it is time to consider ex-judicial extermination of those who patently demonstrate a total lack of contrition for behaviour that is unexcuseable and remains unpunished by a misguided judiciary.<br />Perhaps those justices that are proven to be inadequate to the task of protecting the public should be relieved of their positionsDexter Rousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-61579544009731536502012-09-28T20:33:34.889+10:002012-09-28T20:33:34.889+10:00No one is proposing shooting all tattooed 41 year ...No one is proposing shooting all tattooed 41 year old men to prevent future rapes mate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-71943554575574002932012-09-28T20:31:39.505+10:002012-09-28T20:31:39.505+10:00Long sentences are not just about deterrence, they...Long sentences are not just about deterrence, they're about prevention.<br /><br />A violent sex fiend locked up in prison is not going to rape, bash or murder any other women!!<br /><br />Of course if the six women you previously raped were <a href="http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/482904_407827729271391_2113959913_n.jpg" rel="nofollow">ONLY PROSTITUTES</a> rather than ABC luvvies..........<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-43968595084511310612012-09-28T20:10:49.510+10:002012-09-28T20:10:49.510+10:00Dog, allegedly domesticated, bites ABC journosDog, allegedly domesticated, bites ABC journosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14457232127152238.post-77714953878031661622012-09-28T19:11:31.416+10:002012-09-28T19:11:31.416+10:00So if incarceration is no deterrent how about we b...So if incarceration is no deterrent how about we bring back first the lash then capital punishment for rape and murder? Or is supposed blasphemy of the Prophet Mohammed the only offence to warrant death,because it seems that even the very young of one faith are being taught so and our own Australian cowards in coward's castle dare not denounce them!?<br />I am seriously leaning towards the capital punishment argument now,after this heinous crimeJazzanoreply@blogger.com